053 - Jennie & Kaci at Mothers of Mograph
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Motherhood was this thing
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that I was so, like,
afraid of embracing in this industry.
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And then the minute that I did embrace it,
it has been like my slingshot forward.
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This is just a call to say that
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like when somebody says they're fine, it's
most likely incorrect.
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And there's a bunch of things
that are going on under the surface,
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but we don't necessarily stand around and
voice them because we've got shit to do.
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Hello, Welcome.
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Thank you so much for being here.
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We're so happy to have you both.
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Thank you
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So definitely for for our audience
who might not be familiar with you yet,
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but are, I'm sure going to be very excited
to get to know you.
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A Please tell us a little bit
about who you are, what you currently do,
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and then we'll get into the existence
of Mothers of McGrath.
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So, Casey, I'll let you kick things off.
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I am currently working
full time at a digital ad agency
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and I am a full time mom, and Jenny and I
have started this community.
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Mothers in McGrath. Wonderful.
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So I'm Jim.
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I'm Jenny Davis, and I run
a small studio called Direct Studio
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based in Hamilton, Ontario, where we do
primarily branding, immersion designing.
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I've got a daughter and husband and a dog,
and we started managing McGrath
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about ten months ago
now, and we've just created a community
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that's about support and no judgment
and just being there for one
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another and highlighting people
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that don't necessarily
always get to be in the spotlight.
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That's fantastic.
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I think this is it's the first time
I've ever seen
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in a motion graphics piece
because I saw somebody post it.
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I've never seen animated nipple cream.
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So that's the first
that I was very welcoming of this year.
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Misha did a mission lead, did one,
and I think that's the also did
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I don't know if there was nipple cream.
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There was definitely nipples though.
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I love like yeah
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the the amount of like I guess boobs
that we've had in our
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animation has been kind of funny
and it's really great.
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I just love also,
it was so funny at this last conference
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we were at, we had that animation
playing like on a loop on our table
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and we'd be talking to somebody
and you would see them be like,
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double take the screen.
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It was pretty
it was pretty entertaining on it.
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So just just for the guys
who aren't familiar,
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what does the cream do specifically?
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I love Let us educate you.
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Breastfeeding can be a really,
really painful thing for women to do.
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In fact, it causes lots of chapping and
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and you can get very dry
and cracked nipples.
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A lot of bleeding can happen.
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And so nipple cream helps with that.
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Got it.
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Yeah.
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That's that's not something
that's talked about often, but it is of
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it was it's a significant hardship
for some women as they're breastfeeding.
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It's one of those things
that when you have a kid
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it's like I feel like somebody
should have mentioned. This, right?
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Yes. You get there and you're like,
why wasn't I warned?
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Right. And it makes perfect sense.
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It kind of ties into a question I have,
which is what sorts of challenges
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mothers are facing when they're
working creatively and that maybe most
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like employees or clients or employers
don't even know about or don't realize.
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So there's there's two parts
to this question.
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So first of all, I,
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I think one of the really important things
that Lisa and I have come up against
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when we started this group
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is that really a lot of the things
that we're talking about.
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Yes, we're talking about it
from the perspective of mothers, but it
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100% doesn't only have to do with mothers.
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I mean, you've got parents,
you've got people
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that are taking care of other people.
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You've got just like a regular person
that doesn't have any responsibilities,
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but also has to have their own balance
and right.
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So I think a lot of the struggles are
are are similar.
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And from our own perspective,
I think, you know, moms have a lot to do.
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There's a lot of responsibilities
and as much as I would love to say that,
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you know, society
sees us as equal partners
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in the relationship
with our child schools.
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Call me first that playdates.
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They call me first.
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The doctor's appointments,
they call me first.
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So it's in the end of the day,
there's a lot of like mental management
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that needs to go into having children.
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And I think when studios
have like lack of empathy for that,
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or when you have to get approval
to take your kid to a doctor's appointment
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or to the dentist or to a school trip
or stuff like that, then
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it can be very frustrating
for parents in general.
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Yeah, I think it's frustrating for people
who aren't parents as well,
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because I know before I became a mom,
I was definitely one of the people
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giving the side eye to parents
who were leaving early or whatever.
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But our big thing is
that we have been trying to get people
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to kind of see the whole picture
and have empathy.
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So maybe they'll be a little less side.
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I don't know.
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I and like I said, I was 100%
part of that before I became a parent.
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So as I say,
what kind of mechanisms have you seen
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or that you've implemented in your work?
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The other side of your work to mitigate
some of those like random things
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that happen?
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Similar idea.
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I think we were on the same page
about like how your current situation
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informs policy and how policies
need to be changed at different studios.
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And yeah, just curious.
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So I think there's a lot
of like levels to that and I don't think
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that every studio or agency
or freelancer can change everything now,
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but there are a lot of programs
and systems
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that are starting to come into play, like
the four day workweek or stuff like that.
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That gives people
a little bit more flexibility.
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I know that with my studio I try to book
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freelancers on project rates,
and that way we adhere to milestones.
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The last two, like the specific 9 to 5,
and that's very helpful,
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especially if like I need to step away
or like if we have a milestone
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that's at 4:00, then I know like at 4:00
I'm at my computer
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ready to accept things and go over
whatever.
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But that doesn't mean
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that I need to be there
the entire day or and the same for them.
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I think a lot of it comes down to trust.
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You have to trust the people
that you're working with.
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If you're lucky enough
to find those people, then you are
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kind of you're in a good spot
to make those changes.
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I think it's really just about creating
like flexibility
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and trusting your employees
to give back what you give to them.
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I'm a true believer that
if you can like practice what you preach,
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they appreciate it
and they kind of give it back tenfold.
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And I've seen that multiple times
with people that I work with.
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So yeah, I have experienced a little bit
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of all of the flavors of this industry.
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Like when I first had my daughter,
I was working full time
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in the visual effects department
and then I went full time freelance.
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So I have that experience
and now I'm at another full time job.
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But you know, things have changed
so much throughout these last few years.
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I actually ended up having to quit that
full time job because it wasn't
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providing me the flexibility
that I needed to be a parent.
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Essentially,
I think I would have stayed there
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much longer if I could have worked
from home a couple of days a week.
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But that was not an option at that time
because it was pre-pandemic.
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So I ended up jumping full time freelance,
which gave me the flexibility
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to set my own schedule to not have to work
40 hours if I don't need to.
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Luckily,
I have a really supportive partner
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and at that time he was doing
a lot of working and I was able to kind of
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sit the work
in around the rest of our life.
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But then when the pandemic hit, I was
working so much he actually quit his job.
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So he was the primary parent,
like the stay at home parent.
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And so our roles shifted quite a lot.
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And now that we're in a post-pandemic
world and work from home
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is a more available option,
my full time job is 100% work from home
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and it is such a game changer
for for parenting.
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I can run to the post office
or run to the to the grocery store
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or pick her up from school if she's sick
or whatever the situation may be,
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and also get my work done
and hit my deadlines and do the things.
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I also have a really great employer
who who does give the trust
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as long as my work is turned in
and it's quality work,
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then we're all on the same page
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and we do our check ins
and I have a meeting schedule.
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Obviously I can fit things in around that.
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But yeah, I think it comes, it really does
in all of those scenarios comes down
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to exactly what Jenny just said,
which is trust and flexibility.
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And I think that that goes a long way
for most people in most positions.
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So through somebody who maybe is a mother
that hasn't gotten into motion
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graphics yet
but wants to I'm sort of curious
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what sort of the transferable skills
you think there are there that can like
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totally help
make them even an even stronger candidate
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for employment in animation? Oh, yeah.
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We actually think that the motion design
industry is a great place to be a mom
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because of the flexibility.
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There's a lot of other industries
that don't provide that opportunity.
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I think that also the motion design
industry is a great place
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because you don't necessarily have to get
that four year degree to get into it,
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you know, So you can work your training
around your mom's schedule
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in a flexible way
than having to go say to university,
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we wanted to make sure that we could pull
all of the moms
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out of their hiding spaces,
because I think there wasn't
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very much visibility on the moms
before we started this.
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And so there might have been
a lot of mothers or even young women
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who might be considering family,
who might not have realized
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that this actually is a viable option
because you couldn't really see it.
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From our perspective.
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We we've noticed that we are better
at setting boundaries and saying no,
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which is is key.
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It's a great skill to have.
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Let me tell you.
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I did not learn it
until I had my daughter.
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I did not. Learn it either.
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And I'm very good at it now,
you know, standing, standing your ground,
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learning to communicate.
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I think a lot a lot of the skills
that you pick up when you're, you know,
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explaining to a six year
old having a tantrum about something,
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I don't know
that's going to come off really weird.
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But like.
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I think you can say
clients throw tantrums.
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So I'm just.
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Going to say no ability to like, mitigate
that conversation.
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And it's like, okay, like this is
this is what you're seeing
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and this is what I'm telling you.
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And let's
figure out a way to like push forward.
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So I think communication skills
and boundary setting,
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those are all transferable
skills and time management.
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Something that's very overlooked
is moms have a lot to do
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and they tend to have less time to do it
in, but yet
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they still get everything done.
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So, oh yeah, we've got like multiple
schedules.
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We're juggling usually.
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So we've got the families schedule.
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So I have a lot of calendars that
I'm really good at setting up calendars.
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Yeah, another skill too.
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I know I've talked about it
in other places, but after I became a mom,
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anticipating needs was a big one
that I learned with her,
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but also I found transferred,
especially in my freelance work
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because I was managing
a lot more of the projects on my own.
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I felt like my ability to anticipate
the client needs grew
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and so that was another one
that I think is a good one.
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Big anticipating also like needs
of the people that are working with you
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and just have to understand
like what they're going through as well.
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And we were at making Midwest,
for example.
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We all had snacks in our
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kitchen.
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Oh my gosh, traveling with a group of moms
was like an absolute dream.
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Everybody was anticipating
everyone else's needs, like all the time.
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It was like
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I got in really late and Jenny had, like,
dinner waiting for me when I got there.
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And then, like, there was a morning
where we got to let her sleep in
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and I had breakfast waiting for her.
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It was
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it was like an absolute dream.
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Everyone should travel
with a pack of moms.
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I think it's the only way to travel. No,
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it's just the best way to travel.
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Yeah.
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There's some kind of,
like, weird app idea out there.
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That's now, you know, Airbnb.
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Airbnb experience. Yeah, exactly.
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Travel together.
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That's exactly why it was so great,
though, too, to travel with the people
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who like at a work event
with a group of people who are like me,
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I didn't feel like I had to hide
any part of myself in this trip.
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Yeah, and like, not that I'm like,
actively tucking away my motherhood,
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but I do think before mothers demographic,
I was pretty actively
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tucking that away and I didn't really talk
to people about that experience.
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And it was so amazing on this trip
to be like,
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like I could show off a picture of my kid
and not be afraid
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that someone's going to be like,
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Oh my God, They just talk about their kid
all the time, you know?
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Like we were all like, like minded people
and we all got to be our full selves.
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And I truly felt like that
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was the first time in this industry
at an event that I could do that.
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It was pretty special.
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I think we've also noticed a lot
since we started Mothers of McGrath,
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a lot more chatter on on social media
about with designers, emerging designers
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coming out and saying that like I'm a mom
or showing off their kids
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or showing off their kids
artwork or stuff like that.
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And I think that's
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I don't know if I'm just more I notice it
more now,
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but I don't remember seeing a lot of it
before we started.
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I honestly have been seeing more dads
doing it, too.
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Yeah, like just parents in general
are talking a lot more about
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this other side of themselves
and it's been really cool to see.
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Speaking of dads,
let's let's talk about dudes.
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Did you go out about.
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Enough.
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And feel like
I feel like we're we're kind of oppressed?
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I don't know.
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Oh, I mean.
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It's Yeah, well,
so you mentioned your your partner.
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I just wanted to get a sense of, like,
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what advice would you have for dads
to show up for moms in a creative space?
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Because I think there's
that's happening often.
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I think a lot of my dude
friends are having creative partners
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and sometimes with children,
and they might feel like
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they don't know
how to support the creativity side.
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What are your thoughts on that? Sure.
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What works for me is when I'm given space
and I remember
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when my daughter was very young,
it was hard to find space for creativity
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and it was hard to find space
to do things for myself.
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And I remember my husband at the time
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just kind of like pushing me out the door
and being like, You go do that.
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And it didn't really matter what it was,
but just taking off
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the pressure
of having to like, figure everything out
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and just fully committing and saying,
I got this, go do something else.
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I think that's
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when I kind of started
like finding myself again.
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And I'm curious to hear
what Casey has because I'm in Canada
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and our mat leave is is pretty extensive,
especially compared to the state.
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So what kind of things help you
with beginning?
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I will say that for the first few years
of motherhood, for me,
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I didn't feel creative at all.
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I kind of felt like I had lost
my creativity there for quite a while.
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I didn't have the bandwidth
to think about it, and I was actually
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reading something recently about like how
in motherhood, your your brain shrinks.
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I need to look into this more,
but like part of that shrinking
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is like the creative part of it
and it all comes back right in it.
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And what it is doing is essentially
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trying to make other parts of your brain
more efficient.
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But anyway,
I don't know the science behind that,
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but it was making sense to me because
when I was in those first couple of years,
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I felt so guilty because I let go
of a lot of my creativity.
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And it was really hard
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being in this field because it's
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such a creative driven industry
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because I wasn't exploring anything
outside of the work that I was just doing.
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And even sometimes
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when I was doing the work,
I was not feeling very inspired by it.
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And I was I was finding it
very difficult to find inspiration.
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So I think that a big part for me and
this is not necessarily a partner thing,
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but I needed to give myself some grace
there and and just have patience
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and know that it will come back
and something will spark eventually again.
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But it's really easy
to beat yourself up for that.
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Yeah, my partner did give me a lot
of space to do the things I needed to.
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I would agree with Jenny
that space is an important thing.
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Like you have to get out of the house
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and not be responsible for other humans
for, like, a small part of your week.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And just be able to,
like, take care of yourself in that moment
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and not have to worry about feeding
and diapering and all of things.
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And it's really hard to do that
in those first couple of years
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because those little humans
are very difficult to take care of and
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there's a lot to do.
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And like your house gets let go and your,
you know, like the yard is not been mowed
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for three months
and and it just feels like an overwhelming
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amount of things
you have to do all the time.
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So I think anticipating
needs comes in again there.
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I think it's sometimes
challenging for folks to do that.
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But oftentimes,
especially in that early motherhood
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phase of life, you don't even know
what you need yourself.
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You're like, you're having a hard time
figuring it out.
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So if somebody else can come up
and be like, Hey, I made dinner, like
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you want to take it out on the back porch
while I put the baby to bed
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or whatever, then that is super helpful.
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But like, I need to not have to ask
for all of those things because
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I don't often know. Yeah.
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Another
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really important part of this conversation
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is that it's important for both partners
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to understand
their parental rights in a company.
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So, for example, like,
don't quote me on this
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because I don't remember
the full legalities, but in Canada,
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the father can also take paternal leave,
as can adoptive parents.
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Or there's like a plethora of people
that can take the same advantages
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as the maternity leave.
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And I think those are really important
conversations to have as a couple
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to understand how that time is divided.
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And I wish that it was more common
for dads to take paternal leave
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and their studies, hundreds of studies
that show that
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if your partner is home with you
for the first month or two
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when you have a baby,
then moms are able to recover
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quicker, They're able to sleep, which is
incredibly important at the beginning.
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You don't get that option a lot.
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And having a supportive partner,
being able to to allow you to sleep
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and give and help you feeding
or all of those things
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like know your rights, understand them
and talk to your companies.
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Like a lot of companies
have parental leave.
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I know that even in the states
where the parental leave is is useless
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and but some of them
have those options for you and take them,
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take advantage of them.
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It's not only for you and your bond
with your kid, but your partner needs
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help. Yes.
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Yeah.
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We were fortunate in our situation.
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This sounds so stupid.
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First of all, I was fortunate
to have been laid off from my job, so
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I got a longer time at home
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being supported by unemployment rate.
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So how lucky for me I got laid off
so I could be home with my daughter.
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But also how lucky for my partner
to have banked
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as much sick time as he did
because he was able to be home.
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I want to say for like five weeks.
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He had so much sick time built up
that he was able to use for that.
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But he didn't get pattern
like he didn't get paternity leave.
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He got sick time, he didn't.
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And he would have got whatever he had
not everybody happens
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to have five weeks of sick time built up
because he really never gets sick.
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So he knows it's a. Nice thing to have.
Yeah.
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He's got a great immunity system,
not as great.
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Now that we have a little person
that sneezes in your face, I'm.
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Just going to say with a child.
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At that time,
he was able to bank a lot of that time.
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And that's
the only reason I got to have him home.
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And he got to be home
and have that bonding time with her.
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How lucky for us that. We.
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You know, that I was laid off
and he had sick time.
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So that's it's such a silly thing,
but it was actually a very fortunate thing
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for us. Yeah.
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I mean, you're bringing up
some great points here about and it goes
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a little bit back to something
you said earlier about
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feeling
like you had to in the hiring process.
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I'm curious
about how moms might be hiding themselves
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from the reality of saying I'm a mom
and I'm, you know, applying to this job
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because it might have some preconceived
notions about the expectation
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or like, you know, the employer might
just have some bias around that.
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So I'm kind of curious what you wish
either clients or employers would keep in
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mind when they're hiring mothers
for creative roles.
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Employers and hiring like h.r.
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But like government.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Let's wrap them into yes.
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Yeah.
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Like, I you know, I'm
I have a small business
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and I know
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I don't have full time employees,
but if I were to have a full time employee
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and they were take off
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a year, I'd be like, that can cripple
small businesses in the States again.
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Like,
I don't think the laws are as helpful.
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And it's state by state here too.
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So like every state has its own
set of rules and regulations
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and things like that.
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And New York just passed a great thing
for maternity paternity leave.
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But didn't Shana also say something
passed in Denver as or in Colorado?
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It might have been.
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I know like California
has some pretty good maternity policies.
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I live out in Oregon and there are
some helpful programs here as well.
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But they're also very convoluted programs
and like,
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it's very difficult to get into them and.
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Like, no.
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There's
nobody to help you figure it out either.
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And so it's not an easy process
to take advantage of the things
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that are available.
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Yeah, I think for like hiring managers
and stuff, I don't I don't know what the
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I don't know what the answer is.
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And so there's proper systems in place
to help them.
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I don't know what the answer is.
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I can tell you that
when I was thinking about having children,
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I was working at a company
and I knew I was going to have children.
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In fact, when I signed the papers,
I believe I was already pregnant.
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Did you tell them?
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I didn't. I didn't.
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I had been freelancing for them
for a while,
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and I think the person that hired me,
I think in hindsight
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probably knew I was like a day
and a half pregnant or something.
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At the time, it wasn't like a
it wasn't it wasn't real yet. But,
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you know, I never mentioned it.
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I knew I knew I wouldn't get the job
if I said I was leaving in nine months.
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And I know a lot of women
that stay in a specific job or take a job
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that is not up to their skill level
or paying them less
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because they know that safety net
before they go off for maternity leave.
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And, you know, just having a steady income
coming in is very beneficial.
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I honestly
I don't know what the answer is.
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I think, like if
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if mothers are demographic would do
one thing, it would be change policies
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like everything governments
around the world. So like.
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I hear.
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That yes, it's happening just yet,
but it would be a nice to have.
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We have we've definitely learned
over the last year or so the information
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especially can help inform policy change,
which is pretty cool.
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So yeah, like making an animated video
to be able to explain to city Council
00;24;07;27 - 00;24;11;22
what this policy change would mean and
what impact it would have a great idea.
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Yeah, you've done it
for like the environmental health sector
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and it's like to see something.
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Then pass was like,
oh, we, we can help with that.
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That's cool.
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Yeah. That, that can move a needle
in a different direction.
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So yeah, yeah I think,
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I mean that Let's do that.
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Casey Yeah. Right.
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Yeah. Well, and we support it.
00;24;31;16 - 00;24;33;06
One of the really wonderful things
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that has been happening in this community
since it started and, and this is like
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it's been such a fun thing because Jenny
and I started the community, right?
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But it's blossomed into its own building
and like,
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the women in it have taken it and ran.
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And so there's been some really beautiful
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collaborative projects that are taking off
that Jenny and I are like, hands off.
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We're not even like the logo,
the logo animations.
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One of the women, she was on our panel,
Rocky's from from BlackRock.
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She's just like, Hey,
do you want to do a logo collab?
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I'm like, That's great.
I don't have time to deal with this.
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Can you do you want to do it?
00;25;06;18 - 00;25;10;16
And she's like, Yeah, and I'm
and I said, And even at the time I'm like,
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you know, it doesn't it?
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We don't have to like set a date on it
or anything.
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She's like, Oh, I thought it would be
great for making Midwest.
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And I'm like, You're right, let's do that.
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And it was so great.
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It was beautiful.
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And there was like the Mother Day
animation that Emma Rhodes organized.
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I didn't even know about it
until like the day of.
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I felt bad Jenny somehow
got left out of the channel, but it was
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it was happening.
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And then I was like, Oh, time to post.
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And Jenny's like,
What's this story sighted?
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I was just like,
Oh my God, these are beautiful. Yeah.
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And so I think it could be
a really impactful collaborative project.
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Yeah, maybe some of our community members
could jump on and help out with because.
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Yeah, sure.
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Yeah, you could do so state.
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By state basis.
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Yeah, I know.
00;25;54;22 - 00;25;57;11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Giving you more work.
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Speaking of work,
I wanted to get to the sort of creative
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because I've seen some really cool stuff
on the channels you guys post.
00;26;04;10 - 00;26;07;25
So how does being a mom
inform the creative work that you do
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specifically either personal or,
or what you do on a day to day basis?
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That's a good question.
That is a good question.
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I would say on my personal work,
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it informs a lot more of what I'm doing.
00;26;21;11 - 00;26;26;01
And I feel like, you know, conversations
with my daughter and stuff in Spark,
00;26;26;01 - 00;26;29;28
something like we had a conversation
one day about unicorns and how
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she decided that they weren't real.
00;26;31;20 - 00;26;34;08
But then we just got into like this
entire conversations
00;26;34;08 - 00;26;38;03
about, like unicorns
and the tooth fairy and Santa Claus,
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you know, that kind of like, spark,
like a creative outlet for me afterwards.
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And I think some of my branding
and the direction that I decided to take
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my company has come from either
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my daughter or from realizing
what Mothers or McGruff is.
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So I think it definitely informs
that part of my work a lot,
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a lot of the times that I have clients
that will come to me
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and they'll be like,
We need this, this and this.
00;27;00;06 - 00;27;03;24
There's one client that had the coffee
shop thing or something, and I put a
00;27;03;26 - 00;27;07;06
pregnant woman in the order
and she's like the main character.
00;27;07;06 - 00;27;08;12
And they're like, No.
00;27;08;12 - 00;27;10;25
And I'm like, Come on, she's awesome.
00;27;10;25 - 00;27;15;13
So, you know, it was like,
I mean, I understood
00;27;15;13 - 00;27;18;21
they were trying to go for, like,
young and hip and whatever.
00;27;18;24 - 00;27;20;26
And moms are not those things.
00;27;20;26 - 00;27;25;03
Come on, come on. We can do it. Yeah.
00;27;25;05 - 00;27;28;20
No, we've had similar experiences
with, like, trying.
00;27;28;20 - 00;27;30;15
Especially with characters. Yeah, Yeah.
00;27;30;15 - 00;27;33;17
Trying to be intentional about creating,
you know, more
00;27;33;17 - 00;27;36;17
opportunity or creating like, you know,
00;27;36;22 - 00;27;40;09
just different takes
and a fresh take on putting characters in.
00;27;40;09 - 00;27;43;13
And yeah, it's,
it just depends on the client sometimes.
00;27;43;13 - 00;27;44;17
Oh, 100%.
00;27;44;17 - 00;27;47;27
I mean it does I mean some,
you know some companies do a beautiful
00;27;47;27 - 00;27;51;06
job of it I mean beyond and new fangled
they do a beautiful job
00;27;51;10 - 00;27;55;06
of of introducing inclusivity
to their characters
00;27;55;08 - 00;27;58;05
maybe I just
I'm not like bold enough to be like,
00;27;58;05 - 00;28;01;17
this is happening.
00;28;01;20 - 00;28;03;29
Yeah it's
I think a lot of creatives deal with this
00;28;03;29 - 00;28;07;14
where it feels like
they might not have in certain projects
00;28;07;18 - 00;28;11;26
a feeling of control
over what they can say or their voice has
00;28;11;26 - 00;28;16;15
like impact behind it because sometimes
it's like, do the work, okay, get it done.
00;28;16;15 - 00;28;17;24
Goodbye.
00;28;17;24 - 00;28;20;22
So I think it's just a matter
of finding the clients who are more open
00;28;20;22 - 00;28;23;04
to that collaborative idea
and saying, Yeah,
00;28;23;04 - 00;28;26;02
we want your creative expertise on this
and we want that,
00;28;26;02 - 00;28;28;19
that feedback and pushback
because we know it'll make it better.
00;28;28;19 - 00;28;31;09
So yeah,
I think sometimes that just comes.
00;28;31;09 - 00;28;35;00
That's part of the course for navigating
finding the right client.
00;28;35;06 - 00;28;36;14
Totally.
00;28;36;14 - 00;28;36;24
Yeah.
00;28;36;24 - 00;28;39;00
And I think that's kind of
what kind of influenced
00;28;39;00 - 00;28;42;22
my work is that I have been actively
seeking out people
00;28;42;22 - 00;28;46;24
that I want to work with
and not necessarily coming to me
00;28;46;24 - 00;28;50;22
and people that I mesh
with like that were in the same.
00;28;50;28 - 00;28;52;11
You guys have the same values?
00;28;52;11 - 00;28;54;09
Yeah, the same values and stuff like that.
00;28;54;09 - 00;28;58;07
I think that like for that
it has definitely pushed me
00;28;58;10 - 00;29;01;11
to seek those people out for me.
00;29;01;11 - 00;29;04;28
My journey into motherhood has been
00;29;05;01 - 00;29;07;07
after some trials and tribulations.
00;29;07;07 - 00;29;11;17
It's been a very empowering thing for me.
00;29;11;17 - 00;29;14;17
I have found a lot of my confidence
in my motherhood.
00;29;14;21 - 00;29;18;05
I would say that it's informed
my work in an industry
00;29;18;05 - 00;29;22;18
where there are not as many women
I've really embraced, like wanting
00;29;22;18 - 00;29;26;15
to be a representation
of the women in the industry.
00;29;26;15 - 00;29;30;22
And I want my daughter
to see what I can do and what she could do
00;29;30;22 - 00;29;31;24
if she wanted to.
00;29;31;24 - 00;29;36;12
And so in that way,
I think motherhood has informed my work,
00;29;36;12 - 00;29;40;15
even like, you know,
I have pretty loud branding and a lot of
00;29;40;15 - 00;29;44;05
my values are wrapped up in supporting
other women and those kinds of things.
00;29;44;05 - 00;29;45;24
So like, I just started.
00;29;45;24 - 00;29;48;00
Like stopped apologizing. Yes.
00;29;48;00 - 00;29;50;03
Yeah, stopped apologizing.
00;29;50;03 - 00;29;53;02
What was it that I said
recently? Like, I'm not asking anymore.
00;29;53;02 - 00;29;55;07
I'm just telling people what I'm doing.
Yeah.
00;29;55;07 - 00;29;57;02
Yeah. Like, I'm done asking.
00;29;57;02 - 00;29;59;24
And that all has been that has all come up
00;29;59;24 - 00;30;03;05
through through my journey
and being a parent.
00;30;03;08 - 00;30;07;11
Motherhood was this thing that I was so,
like afraid of embracing in this industry.
00;30;07;11 - 00;30;11;13
And then the minute that I did embrace it,
it has been like my
00;30;11;16 - 00;30;14;07
slingshot forward. So
00;30;14;09 - 00;30;14;18
maybe
00;30;14;18 - 00;30;15;08
that's a lesson to
00;30;15;08 - 00;30;19;10
everyone that if you're a little afraid
of a certain part of yourself,
00;30;19;10 - 00;30;23;08
like don't be the authenticity
really, like goes a long way.
00;30;23;13 - 00;30;26;18
And I think especially in our industry now
and especially in the state
00;30;26;18 - 00;30;30;19
of this industry, like people are looking
for that authenticity and.
00;30;30;21 - 00;30;33;07
And being a genuine whole person.
00;30;33;07 - 00;30;34;06
Mm hmm.
00;30;34;06 - 00;30;36;03
Yeah, It's a beautiful thing. Awesome.
00;30;36;03 - 00;30;37;07
Yeah, I think.
00;30;37;07 - 00;30;37;25
Yeah, I know.
00;30;37;25 - 00;30;40;22
And I want to be mindful of time.
Yes. Yeah.
00;30;40;22 - 00;30;42;22
But I do think that.
00;30;42;22 - 00;30;47;10
Well, a we, I think we both applaud
you for the work that you've been doing
00;30;47;10 - 00;30;52;19
and just for being some really kick
ass moms in the motion graphics space.
00;30;52;19 - 00;30;55;00
Like it's,
it's a wonderful thing to see it.
00;30;55;00 - 00;30;58;11
I think it's informed a lot of people
it's informed a lot of business owners
00;30;58;11 - 00;31;01;00
about what to do better,
what like how to make change.
00;31;01;00 - 00;31;03;14
And everything you're doing is helping to
00;31;03;14 - 00;31;05;09
to move the needle in the right direction.
00;31;05;09 - 00;31;10;06
So I really appreciate both of what
what you bring to the table all the time.
00;31;10;06 - 00;31;14;08
And like any way in which,
you know, people who don't have kids
00;31;14;08 - 00;31;15;11
can support that.
00;31;15;11 - 00;31;16;18
That's always a great thing too.
00;31;16;18 - 00;31;18;24
So I'm here to support however we can.
00;31;18;24 - 00;31;20;16
But yeah, thank you.
00;31;20;16 - 00;31;21;23
That's that's all I can say.
00;31;21;23 - 00;31;22;21
Thank you for saying that.
00;31;22;21 - 00;31;25;11
That means, you know,
that means a lot to us.
00;31;25;11 - 00;31;28;22
You know, just add
that when Kiki and I started this,
00;31;28;22 - 00;31;30;29
we wanted everybody in the Slack channel.
00;31;30;29 - 00;31;34;07
We wanted like,
you know, just to start conversations
00;31;34;07 - 00;31;38;29
because we figured the best way
to make changes, to have conversations.
00;31;38;29 - 00;31;43;29
And we quickly understood that
that wasn't giving our moms the space.
00;31;44;02 - 00;31;47;22
So we did end up closing down the Slack
channel to two moms.
00;31;47;25 - 00;31;49;21
And it's been it has been wonderful.
00;31;49;21 - 00;31;52;28
But that is why it's so important
for us to be on podcasts like this.
00;31;52;28 - 00;31;56;10
The purpose of that was not just to be
like, Oh, here's another demographic.
00;31;56;13 - 00;31;59;23
It was to create those conversations
and to have this
00;31;59;23 - 00;32;01;05
get it out into the open world.
00;32;01;05 - 00;32;02;28
And being like, This is what's happening.
00;32;02;28 - 00;32;04;07
We're not saying that it's better
00;32;04;07 - 00;32;07;27
or worse than your situation, but
we're telling you from our perspective.
00;32;07;29 - 00;32;12;19
And I think that our perspective
also touches on a lot of other people
00;32;12;19 - 00;32;15;19
that don't necessarily fall
under the category of mother.
00;32;15;21 - 00;32;19;10
And there's a lot of broken things
in our system and we need to change them.
00;32;19;10 - 00;32;22;15
And if we're not talking about them
and we're not talking about what's hard
00;32;22;15 - 00;32;25;13
and what's not working, then
we're never going to see any movement.
00;32;25;13 - 00;32;29;28
So yeah, that
that's really the purpose of all.
00;32;29;28 - 00;32;31;26
Yeah,
we had two main goals when we started this
00;32;31;26 - 00;32;36;10
and it was to bring the moms together
in a community
00;32;36;12 - 00;32;41;16
and it was to put Spotlight
on some new names and faces and voices.
00;32;41;16 - 00;32;44;12
And then it was to help
educate the greater community.
00;32;44;12 - 00;32;46;04
So those were. Our.
00;32;46;04 - 00;32;47;26
That was that was what we went in for.
00;32;47;26 - 00;32;49;25
I think we've been doing
pretty okay at it.
00;32;49;25 - 00;32;51;06
I think so.
00;32;51;06 - 00;32;53;04
I would I would add another pillar there.
00;32;53;04 - 00;32;57;05
Whenever you get
a chance to shame other dudes
00;32;57;07 - 00;33;01;21
and want to give it time to help them,
00;33;01;25 - 00;33;06;21
I know I think there's a lot of guys out
there again who I talk to like, you know,
00;33;06;23 - 00;33;10;19
what's going on with your spouse
or your girlfriend, like what's going on?
00;33;10;21 - 00;33;12;13
And I feel like they're a little bit lost.
00;33;12;13 - 00;33;14;06
And I think there's there's got to be
00;33;14;06 - 00;33;18;02
something that you guys can do to be like,
hey, this is how you could help us.
00;33;18;02 - 00;33;20;00
Just letting you know, like, I think.
00;33;20;00 - 00;33;22;16
But that's exactly
what my demographic is like.
00;33;22;16 - 00;33;24;04
We're not here to shame anybody.
00;33;24;04 - 00;33;28;03
Like, you know, like
everybody goes through their own journey.
00;33;28;03 - 00;33;31;16
Everybody has their own family situation,
their own financial situations.
00;33;31;16 - 00;33;33;22
Like we're not here to shame anybody,
and we're not here to say
00;33;33;22 - 00;33;38;05
that our perspective is better or harder
or easier than anybody else's.
00;33;38;05 - 00;33;42;26
We're just telling you how it is
from the way that we see the world
00;33;42;29 - 00;33;45;20
and whether you choose to listen
and take that
00;33;45;20 - 00;33;48;06
into consideration into your life,
that's up to you.
00;33;48;06 - 00;33;51;02
And then like for those dads out there,
that's why we're here,
00;33;51;02 - 00;33;56;06
because I think a lot of the times
women don't share share our feel.
00;33;56;07 - 00;33;58;24
You know, everything's fine. You know.
00;33;58;24 - 00;33;59;07
What's wrong?
00;33;59;07 - 00;34;00;10
It is fine.
00;34;00;10 - 00;34;04;01
Ask me
any day of the week and I'm fine. Yeah.
00;34;04;04 - 00;34;06;05
You know, this is just a call to say that,
00;34;06;05 - 00;34;10;02
like when somebody says they're fine, it's
most likely incorrect.
00;34;10;04 - 00;34;12;10
And there's a bunch of things
that are going on under the surface,
00;34;12;10 - 00;34;15;13
but we don't necessarily stand around and
voice them because we've got scheduled.
00;34;15;20 - 00;34;16;00
I would.
00;34;16;00 - 00;34;21;20
Yeah, I would echo that by saying that
I think if like for any dudes out there,
00;34;21;20 - 00;34;22;26
it's like if you see
00;34;22;26 - 00;34;26;01
what's going on in Mothers and McGrath,
you can take that information
00;34;26;01 - 00;34;29;01
and share it with your fellow
dudes like that's on you.
00;34;29;04 - 00;34;30;10
Like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;34;30;10 - 00;34;33;26
And that's, that's something
I say all the time about our own podcast
00;34;33;26 - 00;34;38;19
is this podcast isn't just for moms, it's
just from the perspective of moms.
00;34;38;21 - 00;34;42;16
So like,
I think everyone can glean something from,
00;34;42;19 - 00;34;46;02
from our stories
and our discussions and talks.
00;34;46;04 - 00;34;49;27
And we have always, like from the
very beginning, we've always wanted this
00;34;49;27 - 00;34;53;05
not to be like an us versus them situation
because it's not.
00;34;53;05 - 00;34;54;18
We're all in it together
00;34;54;18 - 00;34;58;27
and we try approach everything
with a pretty high level of empathy and
00;34;58;27 - 00;35;03;28
and we hope that by doing that,
others will feel empowered to do the same,
00;35;03;28 - 00;35;08;09
because I think that everything
really comes down to empathy in the end.
00;35;08;12 - 00;35;14;28
Right now on all of us,
on all sides of it, of all of the things.
00;35;15;00 - 00;35;16;13
You hear that dudes wants to.
00;35;16;13 - 00;35;18;01
Be, Yeah.
00;35;18;01 - 00;35;19;00
Have empathy.
00;35;19;00 - 00;35;22;08
Mean empathy. Listen, listen.
00;35;22;11 - 00;35;24;09
Yeah, yeah.
00;35;24;09 - 00;35;25;11
As so, yeah.
00;35;25;11 - 00;35;29;03
So just to wrap up, we're going
to give you a chance to just tell people.
00;35;29;03 - 00;35;34;02
So if if they are moms, if they're not
moms, how can they get in contact?
00;35;34;02 - 00;35;36;03
What's the what's the process there?
00;35;36;03 - 00;35;37;25
Where can they find you?
00;35;37;25 - 00;35;39;02
Give us all the stuff so.
00;35;39;02 - 00;35;42;10
You can find all of our links on mothers,
a monograph dot com.
00;35;42;10 - 00;35;43;26
You can sign up for the newsletter.
00;35;43;26 - 00;35;45;24
It's big both in right in your face.
00;35;45;24 - 00;35;47;26
We do a monthly newsletter.
00;35;47;26 - 00;35;50;08
You scroll down to the bottom,
you can get to the rest of the links.
00;35;50;08 - 00;35;53;02
If you're a mom, please join
our slack. We'd love to have you.
00;35;53;02 - 00;35;56;14
There's a little form there
asking like two questions.
00;35;56;16 - 00;36;01;03
Also, if you're considering motherhood,
think please, please join.
00;36;01;05 - 00;36;04;18
We've got a few moms in there that are,
you know, fly on the wall,
00;36;04;19 - 00;36;06;13
kind of listening to conversations.
00;36;06;13 - 00;36;09;00
We've got our Instagram
mother's demographic.
00;36;09;00 - 00;36;13;22
And if you really want to help us out,
we launched our merch store,
00;36;13;24 - 00;36;16;17
which you can also find
our mother's demographics.
00;36;16;17 - 00;36;19;24
And there. It is. Oh, I'd love those.
00;36;19;26 - 00;36;20;19
Those are great.
00;36;20;19 - 00;36;22;21
Yeah, we've got some great stuff on there.
00;36;22;21 - 00;36;27;01
Emma Rhodes and Saint Louis have both
contributed some designs on there
00;36;27;01 - 00;36;31;10
that are so fresh and cool
and have been very popular.
00;36;31;17 - 00;36;36;12
And the money that we get from
that goes to support our community
00;36;36;12 - 00;36;39;11
and also gives a bit of a kick
back to the artists involved.
00;36;39;11 - 00;36;41;11
So that's been really great.
00;36;41;11 - 00;36;42;20
Oh well, thank you.
00;36;42;20 - 00;36;45;02
So yeah, no, no, this is.
00;36;45;02 - 00;36;48;13
Thank you guys so much for giving us
a space to talk about things.
00;36;48;13 - 00;36;50;18
I think we could talk
about these things all day long.
00;36;50;18 - 00;36;53;09
Well, you're welcome back
any time, so. Yeah. Yeah.
00;36;53;09 - 00;36;54;11
This is really wonderful.
00;36;54;11 - 00;36;57;11
I think we've taken a lot away from this
and like.
00;36;57;13 - 00;36;58;22
And I know that our
00;36;58;22 - 00;36;59;21
our audience will also
00;36;59;21 - 00;37;02;28
take a lot away from it,
especially those who were like clients
00;37;02;28 - 00;37;07;03
who want to support mothers that are,
you know, doing some impactful work.
00;37;07;03 - 00;37;10;03
So, yeah,
I'm glad that we could all cross connect.
00;37;10;06 - 00;37;12;11
Yeah. Thank you for taking the time.
We'll have to check in again.
00;37;12;11 - 00;37;15;04
And I'm like, yes, yes, it see happen.
00;37;15;04 - 00;37;16;10
One last question.
00;37;16;10 - 00;37;19;09
Do you have to be a motion designer
to join this group?
00;37;19;12 - 00;37;22;27
No, it's motion
designers and adjacent industries.
00;37;22;27 - 00;37;26;01
We've got sound designers,
we've got copywriters,
00;37;26;01 - 00;37;30;25
we've got producers,
we've got illustrators, voiceover actors.
00;37;30;27 - 00;37;33;27
It's motion design is where we came from.
00;37;33;27 - 00;37;35;09
So that's kind of how it started.
00;37;35;09 - 00;37;38;18
But there are so many things
that go into motion design, VFX
00;37;38;18 - 00;37;41;22
and selling animation
and traditional animation, everything.
00;37;41;22 - 00;37;47;08
Like if it, if it moving or it doesn't,
if it's come on, it's creative.
00;37;47;11 - 00;37;47;21
Shoot.
00;37;47;21 - 00;37;51;18
There is like I was seeing
not too long ago on LinkedIn,
00;37;51;20 - 00;37;54;26
there was a gal talking about the game
00;37;54;26 - 00;37;58;13
development industry and how hard it is
over there as a mom too.
00;37;58;13 - 00;38;00;08
And I was like, Please join us.
00;38;00;08 - 00;38;04;17
We have so many similarities in our field
and I think that we can make this
00;38;04;17 - 00;38;05;12
a wider net.
00;38;05;12 - 00;38;09;00
So awesome. Yeah, I mean, let's see.
00;38;09;02 - 00;38;10;20
Yea, I bet there's a lot.
00;38;10;20 - 00;38;11;26
We're going to have a lot of changes.
00;38;11;26 - 00;38;13;17
It's only been ten months so far.
00;38;13;17 - 00;38;15;23
So like I'm like. Yeah, I know.
00;38;15;23 - 00;38;18;06
Congratulations on everything
and we're really excited.
00;38;18;06 - 00;38;20;02
Thank you. Happy to support in any way
we can.
00;38;20;02 - 00;38;21;19
So thank you.
00;38;21;19 - 00;38;24;19
And so, yeah,
I think I think we'll wrap it up
00;38;24;19 - 00;38;28;27
there.
00;38;29;00 - 00;38;32;06
This episode was brought to you
by EA Media.
00;38;32;09 - 00;38;33;25
Our producer is Jackson Foote.
00;38;33;25 - 00;38;37;03
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00;38;37;05 - 00;38;39;23
And until next time. Stay honest.
00;38;39;23 - 00;38;41;18
Stay creative. Stay open.
00;38;41;18 - 00;38;41;26
Open.
00;38;41;26 - 00;38;42;11
Pick cities.
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We will see you in the next episode. I.
